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Friday, July 30, 2010

Republic India fakes - 3

RBI 1/4 rupee, 1952
(TEJA MAIN HOON.. MARK IDHAR HAI !!!)
quarter rupee reserve bank of india 1952This one does look like an old and valuable coin, but its not. Fact is, the first commemorative to be released in India was released as late as 1964, and that was on the sad occasion of the death of our first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru- 1 rupee and 50 paise coins were released bearing the picture of Nehru. No commemorative was ever released before that in India post independence. Also, the reserve bank was founded in 1935 and in 1952 it completed 17 years, so there was no occasion or reason to releasing a commemorative on the RBI in 1952. A noteworthy point would be the release of coins on RBI showing this lion in 1985, on the occasion of golden jubilee of the founding of the bank. And RBI coins are also going to be released this year in 2010, on the platinum jubilee of the bank. The coins would include a first ever 75 rupee coin as a part of UNC and proof sets.

And BTW, dont miss the "V" mark below the date.


50 paisa with rhino, 1992
50 paisa rhino gainda gendaDon't know about you, but i can tell this one is a fake on first look. We did have a 25 paisa with rhino on it but no such 50 paisa coin was ever made. The mint mark (star below the date) is too big in this coin. Not a neat forgery by my standards.


Big 1 rupee coins: 1971-74(Jadu tona wale 1 rupees)
 1971 1972 1973 1974 1 rupee
big coin 1971 1972 1973 1974 1 rupeeDo you I think I have made a mistake by putting these coins here as fake? Do they look real to you? Are you someone who has spent some amount on these? To tell the truth, these look like real to me and not some forgery. I do not know about some experienced collector, but I cant seem to find a fault with them, I think these are very good fakes and look like normal circulated coins.

But there is only one problem: The big one rupee coins of 1971-1974 were never circulated. Rather, they were released as part of the proof sets released by the Bombay mint in those years, and the proof coins of Bombay mint bear the mint mark 'B'. So if you see a 1 rupee coin of these years without the 'B' mark, it is safe to assume that it is fake. Now some of you may say that these would be in the UNC set also, and hence some may not bear that proof coin mint mark. But then that's the very point: The UNC set did not have any 1 rupee coin. The proof sets of those years had one or two big silver coins- in denominations of 10 and 20 or 50, and also a strip from 1 rupee to 1 paisa, and the UNC set was just a 2 coin set, having either 10 rupee and 20 paisa or 50 rupee and 10 rupee coin, no 1 rupee coin. Moreover the proof coins were never circulated so they should not look like normal circulated coins. If some wear and tear is there, then it should be fake as its probably made from some circulated big one rupee issue.

83 comments:

  1. Your fake coin collection is amazing Kulraj and having them put here is a great help.
    Thanks a lot.
    1 Rupee Coins look absolutely geniune. If they are fakes, those are the best fakes I've ever come across. Have you checked the size and weight parameters to see if they are perfect fakes from that perspective too?
    From other aspects like font for Hindi, English text, year ; and mint mark, Ashoka Pillar and other designs look very genuine/original.

    1 Rupee is not listed for those years in Krause but some of the coins listings are missed from Krause. So are you really sure that you have not come across some unlisted ones.
    If fakes like this (1 Rupee) can be made, I feel very worried.

    1/4 Rupee and 50 paise are pretty ugly fakes.
    What's "V" in 1/4 Rupee at mint mark place?
    In 1952, we had only Ashoka Pillar for obverse and for 1985 RBI Golden Jubilee, we had tiger and palm tree only for reverse.
    50 Paise fake is pretty lame attempt.

    For some of the fake British Coins (1911 1 Rupee and 8 Anna) that I'm supposed to send you snaps, please give me some time.

    - Ranjit

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  2. Well firstly I would like to clarify that these fakes are not part of my collection, but these are mostly pictures taken from the internet which I saw that some fraud people were selling, and I just wanted to put things straight. Though I do have this 1/4 rupee of 1952, which i got in 250 rupees(I was a beginner then).

    I am absolutely sure that these are fakes and not some unlisted variety. Even the land resource 2 rupee is listed there, and I have also verified with some other expert. And yes, I recently came across such 1 rupee fakes and was completely fooled, but again some other experienced person told me those are fakes. He said it was obvious though I could not find a fault with them.

    And you are right about your analysis on the RBI fake. The 'V' is some stupid person's mint mark.

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  3. Thanks Kulraj for clarification. I just thought you have started collecting some fake coins too for your collection with the purpose of educating people. Not a bad idea actually ;-)

    You are doing wonderful job then digging out fake ebay items and posting them here.

    I would be dead curious to know "obvious" part of the 1 Rupee being fake. Beside the unlisted year, is there anything for these coins that experts obsereved and declared them fake.

    For British India coins, here are some fake coins getting sold on ebay.
    8 Anna
    http://cgi.ebay.in/1919-EIGHT-ANNA-BRITISH-INDIA-GEORGE-VKING-RARE-COIN-1-/220646827876?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item335f936764
    Fake signs:
    - Portrait of George has extended beard. Other features of George are made pretty crude too.
    - elephant on the King robe is reverse. it should be walking down and in this coin it's walking up (most of the British India George V coins have reverse elephant)
    - I've one of similar version and observe and reverse are not aligned. At times it could be a die rotation error but the coin I've is genuinely fake and hence no possibility of original die rotation ;-) it's just lousy coin duplicating.

    Possible fake:
    2/8 Anna
    http://cgi.ebay.in/BRITISH-INDIA-KING-GEORGE-V-2-8-ANNA-1929-COIN-RARE-/320569440299?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item4aa36d782b
    I had never heard of this coin in British India.
    I couldn't find any listing in Krause either.
    Also one look at the coin and you see the pathetic design and finish of the coin and feel nothing less than a fake.

    - Ranjit

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    1. FAKE 8ANNAS :
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-ANNAS-BRITISH-INDIA-1919-GEORGE-V-KING-VERY-RARE-COIN-/190905311103

      seller ebay:knight.riders

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  4. I too don't get the obvious part. All i get is that is the 'B' mark of the proof coins of Bombay mint is not there, its a fake.

    And you just showed some bad fakes. That George V beard is weird. He should use some fixo or hair gel. The second one is a definite fake. I cant even make out the denomination. Too bad i cant copy images from ebay.

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  5. And BTW, check the krause catalog also: KM # 75.2

    These are listed only as proof coins and the mintage is just a few thousand each. So that settles it then i guess. the 'B' mark is also visible in the catalog foto. Current valuation of the genuine proof coins is 3000-4000 rupees per piece if sold loose. Value of proof sets is about 8000-9000 rupees each. The 1970 rupee was released for circulation though in small quantity.

    Weight:10gm
    Metal:nickel
    diameter:28mm

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  6. Kulraj,

    You might be aware that Mumbai Mint started affixing B Mintmark on proof coins much later (from 1969 Gandhi Sets onwards. The B mintmark is not present even in 1964 Nehru issue.I am also a numismatist, please contact me on kansal888@yahoo.com.

    Sanjay Kansal

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  7. I am talking of the 1971-74 one rupee coins when I say the B mark is not there, and I believe 1971 comes after 1969.

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    1. i have 1 rupes coin 1950 13gm if u r interested call me 07205044776

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  8. Could you pls tell me what is the price of 1 rupee coins of fake and original????

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  9. Pls advice me also that is 2 Rupees CPR-NKL 2003 150 YEARS OF TELE COMMUNICATION Coin circulated or non.

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  10. 2 rupee of telecommunication was never circulated, it is only in sets. The original 1 rupees of 1971-74 cost about 3000-4000 each, wont comment about the fake.

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  11. A nice education provided here Kulraj on the fake coins issue. I will follow your blog for more... Keep up the updates to your blog.

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  12. hi i m a kbshah from gujrat i haw a your 1971 to 1974 coin

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  13. hi ma app ko 1975 to 2008 take ky 1 rupee coin dey sakta hu my no.09067165331

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  14. Hi Kulraj,
    These coins are look like 100% genuine and I can not believe them as fakes.

    By the way, if we consider them as FAKES(as per your perspective) .... its not a big deal to make the coins with mint mark 'B' instead of diamond.....is it sounds good ?

    Thanks,
    Satya

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  15. if such fakes are made then only the highly experienced can identify the real mccoy.

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  16. most of this fake item are listed in EBAY beware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  17. HI
    This is Parthiban from chennai
    I am new to collecting coins
    I want to know what is UNC and what is your advice while collecting currency
    is there any way to found fake notes
    Thanks in advance

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  18. Fresh coins which have shine are called UNC or uncirculated(See my post on coin grading). "advice on collecting currency" is a very vague query, be more specific please. And i do not have much knowledge about notes.

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  19. Thank you Kulraj
    I asked you the "advice on collecting currency".
    that means is there any safety steps to follow while buying the old currency from unknown persons.

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  20. Buy from trusted person only.
    If buying from unknown person, ask him will you take back for say 20% less. If he says he wont take back, dont buy.

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  21. khulraj singh bhai bataye 25 paisa coin 1971 original bani hai ya nahi agar bani hai to plz bataye kesi

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  22. no 25 paise minted in 1969,1970 and 1971.

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  23. i have big one rupees coins from the year 1985 1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 & 1975..are they real????

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  24. Sir,
    some one has 2/8 rupee coin 1929 .
    is it original?
    i didn't find any record any where on net.
    please inform
    Thanks
    shah

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  25. i have big one rupees coins from the year 1985 1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 & 1985..
    plz call 09673553232

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  26. hiii kulraj my name is krunal
    i have one rupee coin from the year 1971 to 1974
    pls call me 08866434299
    my email id is krunalshah2009@gmail.com

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  27. Please can you tell me how to get 150 rupee coin from RBI please...

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  28. boss booking for tagore is now closed.
    you will have to buy from dealer now if you did not book.

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  29. kulraj could you please tell me the price of 150rs coin released by the reserva bank of india

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  30. 1) current rate for unc set is 3600 rs and for proof set it is 5000rs i think
    2) the set is not released by the RBI, its released by the mint.

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  31. anyway booking is not over you can still book it.

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  32. kulraj what is the price of old nizam coin with the picture of charminar on it....

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  33. kulraj can we book the 150rs coin online if yes could you please send me the link....

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  34. 1)thats common 600rs only
    2)see under coin booking

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  35. ELOWZ...BRADA..!!
    wll...i have 1 rupee coin from date 1975 to 1982..how much i kan get for each coin..? plz helpp me out..and also 1955 ka 1/4 ka coin...and 1 paisa of 1968 20 paisa of 1869-1948 with gandi pic on back.1946 ka half ruppe .george vi emperor...10 paisa of 1957..25 paisa of 1972 ...10 paisa of 1988..10 paisa of 1968 in gold kolour...2 paisa of 1973 and 5 paisa of 1971....!!

    in wich coin i kan get good bucks ...plz let me knw....my name kabir kontact number = 9334982820

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  36. i am siva from kerala
    i need 1971 to 1974
    call me 09746251316

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  37. kulraaj bhai i have 15 coins of tiger and palm tree please tell me the price value of those coins, i really like your blog my email id is hak_stp@indiatimes.com

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  38. kulraj bhai i have 100 note of 1985 (1 rupee )can i sold it ? if yes then tell me the price my email is [akashsingh697@yahoo.in] & about your blog i wanna say single word waoooooooo

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  39. i hv also note of 5 rupee with 3 deer's ,36 coins of rupee 1 [1985],and 2 notes of 1 rupee [1996]tell me the price of these coins and notes

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  40. ..... i have
    1) 1923 1/2 pice (with George v King Emperor on other side)and one pice of 1954(with a hourse in backside)
    2) 1917-1984 5Rupees coin with Indira Gandhi
    3) 1936 one quarter anna (with George v King Emperor on other side )
    4) 1 rupee coin of (1947),1976,1979,1983,1984,1985,1987,1992,1999,2000,2002,2003,2004
    5) 1 paisa of 1963,1964
    6) 25 paise of 1972,1978,1985,1989,1994,1999
    7) 5 Rupee coin of 1994,2001(with Bagwan Mahavir 2600th Janm Kalyanak on the other side ),1956-2006(50years of ONGC on th other side),(5rupee coin with Rabindranath tagor in backside)

    8) 2 Rupee coin of 2001(with Dr. Syama Prasad Mookerjee),1995,1996 (with Sardar VallabBhai Patel),1994 (with world food day means with a water droplet sign .....),
    1950-2000,1870-1925 (with Deshbandhu Chittaranjan Das ),1809-2009 (with Louis Braille),1982 DELHI (with IX Asian Games)

    9) 10 Paise of 1982,1987,1988,
    10) 10 Rupees coin of 2008
    11) 20 Paise of 1970 (with a Lotus symbol )
    12) 2 Paise of 1972
    13) 3 Paise of 1968
    14) 5 Paise of 1977,1983nd many more....

    i have also a stock of note like 1 Rupee note of 1985,1992 & 2 Rupee note with sattelite & with Tiger and at last 10 Rupees note with 2 Peacock

    If interested then plz Let Me know ur rates .......and for further details u could mail me in sudiptog637@gmail.com or call me on my mob 9051700676..........plz do the Needfull ........

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  41. Hi Kulraj,

    I have a set of two Rhino 50 paisa coins. Do you think they hold any value?
    awaiting your response..

    Amish Jain
    amishjainn@gmail.com

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  42. kulraj bhai i have many notes of 1 rupees and 5 rupee coin of indira gandhi & jl nehru and 50 paisa coin of rhinos.2 rupees note tigers on back of it.
    plz tell me the value of these notes or coins
    email id- mtiwari144@gmail.com
    manish tiwari

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  43. kulraj bhai could u tell me how can i get 150 rs coin in chennai

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  44. you can book from the mint site, or you can buy from a dealer.

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  45. hi bro ..... can u pls tell me from where i can get the history of indian 1 rupee note.

    i hve seen so many guys selling 1996 and 1995 1 rupee note i want to know abt these note
    genuine or fake ?

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  46. dont know much about notes, but the 1995 and 1996 1 rupee notes are fake.

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  47. just take a look
    http://cgi.ebay.in/1-RUPEE-NOTE-1995-MONTEK-SINGH-AHLUWALIA-/190528020101
    i hve found one on ebay.
    i dont know its genuine or fake

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  48. Fake.
    this note is incongruous for many reasons, and also I believe that no note was issued bearing the signatures of montek singh ahluwalia.

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  49. agreed but from where these guys getting fake notes and why they are selling fake notes on ebay.

    but one thing is sure bro these fake notes hveing very very high price :)

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  50. Hi Kulraj,

    I have several error coins which I want to share with you,please tell me how to upload pix here.

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  51. you can mail them to me.
    Where are you from?

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  52. I am from KOLKATA,I'll mail you.Just tell me what would be the maximum image size and if I am permitted to capture from Digi Cam.

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  53. no such specification on my side. 2-3MB max per picture i guess, so that it doesnt take much time downloading.

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  54. Well,thanks.Please check your mail late tonight.

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  55. hi i hav a ramdarbari coin and wat to sell it can u tell me how much i can get for it pls reply at antiqcurrencyseller@yahoo.in

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  56. ..... i have
    1) 1923 1/2 pice (with George v King Emperor on other side)and
    one pice of 1954(with a hourse in backside)

    2) 1917-1984 5Rupees coin with Indira Gandhi

    3) 1936 one quarter anna (with George v King Emperor on other side )

    4) 1 rupee coin of (1947),1976,1979,1983,1984,1985(WITH .),1987,1992,1997(WITH M),1998,1999,2000(WITH *),2002,2003,2004,2005

    5) 1 paisa of 1963,1964

    6) 25 paise of 1972,1978,1985,1989,1994,1998,1999,2001

    7) 5 Rupee coin of 1994,1996,2001(WITH BINDU),2003,
    2001(with Bagwan Mahavir 2600th Janm Kalyanak on the other side ),
    1956-2006(50years of ONGC on th other side),
    (5rupee coin with Rabindranath tagor in backside),
    1910-2010(WITH MOTHER TERESA ),1884-2009(WITH DR.RAJENDRA PRASAD),
    1904-2004(WITH LALBAHADUR SHASTRI),2009(WITH PARLIAMENT ON THE BACK SIDE)

    8) 2 Rupee coin of 2001(with Dr. Syama Prasad Mookerjee),
    1995,1996 (with Sardar VallabBhai Patel),
    1994 (with world food day means with a water droplet sign .....),
    1950-2000(BHARAT CHAKRA "SUPREME COURT OF INDIA),1870-1925 (with Deshbandhu Chittaranjan Das ),
    1809-2009 (with Louis Braille),1982 DELHI (with IX Asian Games),2007,2005,
    2003(WITH BHOLU THE GUARD OF 150 YEARS OF RAILWAYS),1935-2010(RESERVE BANK OF INDIA)

    9) 10 Paise of 1991(WITH BINDU),1982,1985,1987,1988(WITH C),1989,1980(WITH RURAL WOMEN ADVANCEMENT),1987(WITH DELHI'S JANTAR-MANTARAND A SUN)

    10) 10 Rupees coin of 2008,2010 (WITH BINDU)

    11) 20 Paise of 1970 (with a Lotus symbol ),1986,1988,1989

    12) 2 Paise of 1972

    13) 3 Paise of 1968

    14) 5 Paise of 1977,1973,1983,1981

    15) 20 CEDIS OF 1991

    16) 50 PAISE OF 2001,1991,1947-1997(WITH 50 YEARS OF INDEPENDENCE )


    i have also a stock of note like 1 Rupee note of 1985,1992 & 2 Rupee note with sattelite & with Tiger and at last 10 Rupees note with 2 Peacock
    can u say what is the value of those collection.....

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  57. Apparently next to worthless if you ask me. Not to be called a "collection."

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  58. So there is no real 50 paise coin with a rhino in back ?

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  59. mere pass 5 rupees ka note hai jisme 3 hiran hai..
    aur mere pass 1/4 ka 25paise bi hai ..


    contact me : rohitjaiswal319@yahoo.co.in

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  60. Mere Pass Bhi takriban 200 se jyada is type ki bhartiya old money hai jo mai dena chata h u muje talash hai kisi aise insan ki jo uski achchi rakam de sake 1947 se lekar ab tak ki indian corrency and other contry ki bhi hai kuch jinme note and coin hai agar kisi ko lene ka man ho to
    call me @ +91 9785313212
    I m From rajsthan

    Email me
    goury212@gmail.com
    Thanks

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  62. i love coin collecting i have many coins of different countries 00923215602143 tariqameen86@yahoo.com

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  63. one rupee coin 1975,76,77,78,79,81,82,83,84,85 price
    call to me
    7775895444

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  64. five rupee note three deer price
    call to me
    7775895444

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  65. Hello Kulraj Sir I am Arif
    I just want 2 knw that the GEORGE V KING ONE RUPEE COIN bearing a date of 1939 is original? And I'm 100% sure its not made up of silver. So can I go for it?
    2nd thing There is a coin of HALF ANNA KINNAR STATE 1835 its color is brownish and also black feeling on the background of brown. And one last question that ONE RUPEE OF KING WILLIAM 4 & QUEEN VICTORIA IS FULLY GOLDEN. I am about to take them please help me would be thankful ! Please help
    Thanking you

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    1. Thank u so much sir u saved me & my precious money

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  66. I have sale one rupees note 1995 signed by Montek Singh Ahluwalia.

    Price : 200000
    Name : Kishan Kumar
    Mob No: 9999490436

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  67. I too have the first coin shown on this page, the RBI commemoration coin of 1952 but with a difference - on the other side is the bust of King George VI with a slight beard and looking older than on pre-independence coins. Someone told me that these coins were released by RBI on the occasion of the death of King George VI in 1952.

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  68. Hi Kulraj Singh, i have one rupee Coin East India Company of 1818(golden color) with queen victoria on either side.. So, may i know whether its fake or genuine???

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    1. Bro queen victoria was born in 1819. A simple search can help to identify most fakes.

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    2. thanks for your feedback... how about 2annas of 1946 with george VI King emperor???

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  69. Hi Kulraj,
    I want to purchase this 1/4 anna coin. so plz send ur contact no. or mail ID for dealing this coin. my contact no. is 8126454007, 9897255900, dezire07@gmail.com.

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    1. Hi I have 1/2 anna 1954, 1/4 anna 1955, 1 Anna 1941 & 1944,1 paisa 1958 half Anna 1946. And lot more from different countries including india. CALL ME 8019787514.

      Regards
      Asfiya:)

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  70. Hii kulraj I have many 1 rupee small coin of 1984,1985
    N i have 5 rupee indira ghandi side face coin n 50 paisa...
    1 rupee rajiv gandhi coin
    Tiger n plam coin
    5 rupee Mother Teresa
    2 rupee subhas chandra bose coin 1997
    786 last serial number notes etc
    N many more

    If anyone interested dan call me on +91 9673499077
    Or mail me skaudi@rediffmail.com

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  71. I have one rupee coin of 1899. Have more than 100 notes of 1 rupee signed by montek singh ahluwalia 1994.

    Whatsapp me for pictures
    +91 98 98 39 39 77

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  72. I have 50 paise 1992 and 25 paisa 1993 any one intrested contact me 7786083701

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  73. Kulraj I want to know that what is the actual price of 1950 one rupee coin.plz reply soon ...

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